Hey
all, long time no talk. I’ve been
playing Guild Wars 2 a ton and not playing 40k at all. I did, however, follow the NOVA coverage and
I have a few comments on it. I have not
played enough high end competitive 6th Edition to reach firm
conclusions but here is what I have been thinking about…
1. The top lists are a radical departure from
what we have seen before or what most people expected. Most people expected mech lists to be
slightly weaker, but what we saw was the total dominance of heavy firepower
foot lists. Full mech was definitely a
second tier choice. It seemed that if
you wanted to be at the competitive top your list had to have at least 50+
scoring MEQ bodies and 50+ Str 7+ shots per turn. Plus, in a startling transition, the reaction
was how powerful Plasma weapons were.
Because the good lists were on foot, the best lists were also foot lists
that could handle other foot lists and shoot away deathstars. AP2 plasma weapons seem to fit the bill
nicely.
2. Deathstars or mini-stars seemed very
popular. With the new FAQ changes I
think we are seeing a drastic weakening of elite deathstars like Paladins, Nobz
and Wolf Guard. Blob-stars, if you can
give them fearless still after the FAQs, are still just as good since they didn’t
rely on bouncing wounds around to be effective.
3. I would like to think that this tournament’s
lists are indicative of 6th Edition in general. I’m just not sure. This isn’t a knock against MVB, but I think
the emphasis on table quarters and the fact that vehicles didn’t score for
quarters had a huge effect on the lists you saw. Unlike some, I think this is a good thing, as
the lists that did well are the type of lists I like to see. While these are the types of lists that should be good in an ideal game, I don’t
know that these would be the best lists if you were forced to play just the
straight book missions. It will be
interesting to see how future 6th Edition GT’s play out, because,
unfortunately, I think these lists may be optimized for the tournament mission
structure and not the game in abstract.
With that said…
4. Failure to win at NOVA is your own fault, not
the specific tournament environment.
Playtesting materials and FAQs were released well ahead of time. Terrain examples were released ahead of
time. Yet a particularly loud 40k blog
voice is blaming his failure to win on the follow: missions, terrain and
luck. Luck can be immediately discounted
because I’ve not yet met a human being who can statistically demonstrate that
they possess a quality known as “bad luck.”
If
you claim your dice rolled below average, perhaps they did, but that is almost
certainly a sign that you didn’t roll enough dice to bring out an average
result. That is a problem caused by one
of the following: your list didn’t give you enough resources to solve the
problem you faced, or your tactics were such that you couldn’t bring the
resources you had to bear when and where you needed them. Both of those issues are completely under
your control, so there is nothing to complain about.
As
far as terrain goes, it was the same for everyone. I won’t lie, at last year’s NOVA I wasn’t
happy with the terrain on one table I played on twice. While I would say it contributed to my loss,
I might have still lost anyway, so who knows?
What I do know is that it would be not only arrogant, but overly
simplistic to say that the terrain is what caused me to lose the game. The terrain on a table is a fixed
system. There is a right way to play
every particular arrangement, and gaming that system is how you use it to your
advantage. Chances are, if you “lost due
to terrain” what really happened is you lost due to your opponent taking
advantage of the terrain, and you underestimating him and not trying as hard to
play the terrain.
Claiming
that missions themselves were flawed is a joke.
Stelek had the arrogant audacity to claim that his list was perfect for
6th, but that the NOVA missions were such a departure from 6th
that he got screwed out. As above, there
might be some validity to this concept.
But that isn’t an excuse for losing.
Playtesting materials were available to all. If you didn’t bring a list optimized to win
the published mission pack, who is at fault?
I don’t care if the mission pack doesn’t fit what you think the game
should be. You paid to attend a
tournament, you were given the tournament rules. Your list should take that tournament into
account. Claiming the missions were
flawed after the fact is mockable, and arrogant. If Mike had sprung the NOVA missions on us as
a surprise with no playtesting materials, this might be an excuse.
Unfortunately for this bogus criticism, the top players arrived with
lists tuned to win the tournament. While
you might find the entire concept of tuning your list for a particular
tournament objectionable, as a competitive player you have to PLAY TO WIN. By ignoring the missions and bringing a bad
list, you were not playing to win.
5. Shame on BoLS. I don’t know what their problem with Mike is,
but none of their prominent writers went to NOVA for the 3rd
consecutive year. What is the deal with
that? These guys are undeniably talented
players, who apparently have the resources to fly to po-dunk small GTs and RTT,
or even to Europe for the ETC. But they can never seem to find the time or
money to get to DC in August. Strange
stuff.
If that was it, I wouldn’t even mention
this. But in addition to their
unstated-but-still-obvious boycott, they didn’t even cover it. Arguably the #2 biggest (and #1 most important
to competitive players) 40k tournament in the United States and the only
coverage they got on the biggest 40k website in the United States was a
bullshit article about a judge’s ruling whose only reason for being published,
as far as I can see, was to imply that the tournament was run poorly. I’m sure MVB will take the high road and not
mention it, but I would love to know what the issue is. Is Wargamescon threatened by NOVA? NOVA clearly has the “competitive” label and
WGC less so. Is WGC jealous? Threatened?
I don’t get it at all.
As
a quick aside, I want to remark how amazingly good Guild Wars 2 is. The game has the depth and refinement of a
game that has been out for years, at launch.
The game has better PVP than anything else out besides League of
Legends, and better PVE than anything else.
The only thing GW2 PVE comes up short when compared to WoW is large
raids, as the “end game” for GW2 PVE are 5-man dungeon instances. If you’re into 40 man raids, you might want
to look elsewhere, but for literally every other aspect of PVE GW2 provide a
superior experience.
Thoughts? Comments?
Questions?
Great article. I think you're spot on iwth all of it. I don't really get a lot of the hate thrown around (did you read Tasteytaste's tin hat blog post?) about this stuff.
ReplyDeleteI have never really had the inclination to do a 'competitive' event anyway so I guess I don't see it but I think NOVA is bringing a lot of good to the table with the terrain placement, at least. Getting people used to playing on real terrained boards instead of pool tables.
Stelek's blog is just poop from a butt. I don't know why his readership is so fiercely loyal.
To be clear, I dont have any problem with stelek. He is a far better player than I am. He just cannot handle losses like an adult. I had this opinion after last year, but I kept it to myself. When he pulled the same thing this year I had to mention it.
DeleteStelek may be more skilled at playing the game, but frankly, he is one of the worst players I have ever heard of or from. Mind you, I have never met the man face-to-face, but if he is 1/10th the sore loser and poor winner he presents himself as on YTTH... He is a far worse player than most.
DeleteSportsmanship counts, even of there are no points awarded for it.
Did you by any chance miss a key-stroke up there? Seriously 50+ scoring marines with 50+ S7+ shots? How many points were they running again; I'm struggling to fit that into a 2K list.
ReplyDeleteThe reason BOLS doesn't cover NOVA is that they are devoid of actual decent content. 99% of the content is a joke, with most of the "tactics" being ridiculous and improbable exploits or loopholes that never work in the first place, even if they were actually legit. Any pretense BOLS has to being an authentic news source for tabletop gaming is completely asinine. MVB and NOVA should be happy they don't attend, particularly when they get much better coverage from the fine folks at the 11th Company anyway.
ReplyDeleteNice thoughts! Yeah, I was interested to see a lack of coverage from the BOLS crew too. Are you going to do a numbers comparison for the top lists? Wanted to see how that worked out....
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