Peter writes...
"Hi, I know this is a bit of a random request, considering you dont play HE, but I
really like your mindset on WHFB so i was wondering if i could pick your
brains! Ive not played fantasy since 6th ed, but now I've got the urge to adapt
to 8th edition and start tournament play again, so though i have an army
already im not afraid to go out and buy some extra stuff if its really
necessary. So here goes:-
Teclis: 475pts
Mage: Level 2, Annulian Crystal, 175pts
Noble, Heavy Armour, Ogre Blade, Enchanted Shield, 139pts
Noble, Heavy Armour, White Sword, 129pts
Spearmen (19), Full command, Gleaming Pennant, 201pts
Spearmen (20): Full command, 205pts
Archers (10): 110pts
Archers (10): 110pts
Swordmasters(11): Full command, 195pts
Swordmasters(11): Full command, 195pts
Pheonix Guard(19): Full command, Banner of Sorcery, 365pts
Bolt Thrower: 100pts
Bolt Thrower: 100pts
The idea is that i totally deny the enemy magic support through the banner and crystal, dominate my own magic phase and then use my shooting and combat ability to finish them off. Im not sure about the 2 swordmaster units myself, the nobles used to join these and together they could easily wipe out an enemies front rank but now that they will have to weather return attacks. The spearmen arent ideal, but they are very useful as flank guards and can contribute to the fight as they are superior to most races basic troops. Teclis hides in the pheonix guard, the nobles join the 2 units of swordmasters, and the mage joins the spearmen unit with the banner to avoid them running turn 1.lol
Thanks for taking the time to read this, and if you could spare 5 minutes thought to critique it that would be great! And saves me painting useless units. lol
Teclis: 475pts
Mage: Level 2, Annulian Crystal, 175pts
Noble, Heavy Armour, Ogre Blade, Enchanted Shield, 139pts
Noble, Heavy Armour, White Sword, 129pts
Spearmen (19), Full command, Gleaming Pennant, 201pts
Spearmen (20): Full command, 205pts
Archers (10): 110pts
Archers (10): 110pts
Swordmasters(11): Full command, 195pts
Swordmasters(11): Full command, 195pts
Pheonix Guard(19): Full command, Banner of Sorcery, 365pts
Bolt Thrower: 100pts
Bolt Thrower: 100pts
The idea is that i totally deny the enemy magic support through the banner and crystal, dominate my own magic phase and then use my shooting and combat ability to finish them off. Im not sure about the 2 swordmaster units myself, the nobles used to join these and together they could easily wipe out an enemies front rank but now that they will have to weather return attacks. The spearmen arent ideal, but they are very useful as flank guards and can contribute to the fight as they are superior to most races basic troops. Teclis hides in the pheonix guard, the nobles join the 2 units of swordmasters, and the mage joins the spearmen unit with the banner to avoid them running turn 1.lol
Thanks for taking the time to read this, and if you could spare 5 minutes thought to critique it that would be great! And saves me painting useless units. lol
Peter"
He is a very bad man. |
Hi Pete, thanks for writing.
Your general concept isn't bad at all. A Phoenix Guard magic
bunker is pretty darn nasty if your opponent doesn't have the tools to deal
with it. That said, you have a few minor things that can definitely be
tweaked to make it a bit more efficient in my opinion.
First, you have full command on every squad. The only
unit that needs a unit champ are the Phoenix Guard, so the champ can eat a
challenge and protect Teclis. The other units don't need to pay a points
premium for an extra close combat attack.
Second, since you're using Banner of Sorcery rather than
World Dragon, I assume you're using Life Magic instead of Death or something
else kooky. Generally speaking, you're going to want to run fewer and
bigger units to take advantage of unit-wide buffs. For instance, it does
no good to give one unit of Sword Masters regeneration if your opponent will
just target the other one. So consolidate those Swordmasters into a
single unit.
Third, the Nobles don't need magic weapons. A simple
Great Sword is a fantastically cheap, amazingly powerful weapon for them.
Save some points there. Also, one of them needs to be a BSB. And
both of them need to hang with the Phoenix Guard. The idea is to push
Teclis and the other magic to the second row (so they can't be CC''ed) but also
to prevent people from rushing headlong into combat with them. You
opponent will not want to send his unit headlong into two Nobles with great
weapons, not to mention the Phoenix Guard attacks. Lastly, the unit will
draw warmachine and shooting, and magic attacks. The BSB will prevent
something bad happening on the off chance you fail a leadership test.
Your magic bunker running off the table would be awful.
Fourth, your Spearmen need to be Seaguard. This is a
list that wants to sit back and force the enemy to come to you. The best
way to do that is shooting and magic. You have the magic, but your
shooting is only eh. If those Spearmen became Seaguard, suddenly you have
a lot more shots and crossing the battlefield to get to you becomes a scarier
proposition.
Lastly, the bolt throwers. These are hit or
miss. Against certain armies they are worth their weight in gold.
Others they are useless. Same can be said for Eagles. Nothing is
better than wrecking a cannon with great eagles. But nothing is worse
than having great eagles in your list when you face Daemons. So whether
you go Eagles or Bolt Throwers is a local metagame call. If you play opponents
with lots of warmachines, consider bringing Eagles instead. If you're playing on a big tournament level, I'm tempted to lean towards the Eagles actually.
Hope this advice is
helpful. Any commentators have more, or different, advice?
Thats pretty good advise.
ReplyDeleteI would give one of the nobles the banner of sorcery however, for magic domination. And eagles all the way, that high elf death star would really hate war machines, even with a 4++ save. If your playing daemons, just position them right in front of blood letter hordes. That should save your ______ for a turn
Really liking this blog, you have any interested in writing something on Empire in 8th? I'm also a returning player, played Dark Elves back in 6th/7th.
ReplyDeleteIf you have any insight on the current state of Empire, especially in smaller army sizes, I would love it!