tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6065491601593693979.post3250597905637180573..comments2024-03-20T02:13:39.387-04:00Comments on Bringer of Victory: 40k-metrics: The Anatomy of Non-Competitive Lists Part FourNikephoroshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14484058926496438148noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6065491601593693979.post-26819162703218490812011-07-07T10:51:06.805-04:002011-07-07T10:51:06.805-04:00@GX1080,
You still need a HQ of some sort; usually...@GX1080,<br />You still need a HQ of some sort; usually the Libby with Null Zone. I think a Kantor/Sternguard list can work it just needs more anti-mech.Lyracianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13021663969271276571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6065491601593693979.post-69636113273310794302011-07-06T22:30:18.971-04:002011-07-06T22:30:18.971-04:00Calgar is simply waay too expensive.
Pedro has an...Calgar is simply waay too expensive.<br /><br />Pedro has an use, if you buy like 30 sternguard.<br /><br />Thunderfire Cannons...they are vastly meh and they need a really, really specific army to function.<br /><br />So, for an average SM list:<br /><br />-Calgar<br />-Pedro<br />-Thunderfire Cannons<br />-Extra Sternguard Models<br />-1 Combi guy from the squad of 3<br />+3 preds<br />+1 Sternguard squad.<br />+Speeders.Gx1080https://www.blogger.com/profile/00034506520670256785noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6065491601593693979.post-91406753103796628062011-07-06T21:36:29.742-04:002011-07-06T21:36:29.742-04:00Marneus Calgar auto shits your army list.
The sim...Marneus Calgar auto shits your army list.<br /><br />The simple act of excluding him and using 250 pts into a bunch of anything else instantly improves the list.Dezzohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17376462378230683126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6065491601593693979.post-85537618893442288032011-07-06T08:05:24.082-04:002011-07-06T08:05:24.082-04:00Hi Nike, thanks for the hint on capping at 15, I f...Hi Nike, thanks for the hint on capping at 15, I forgot to factor that in.<br /><br />In terms of the efficiencies however this has been calculated, the Tyrannofex is the only one that stands out as not having the best efficiency scores, however it is able to reach out 48” rather than a Zoanthropes 18” so was included on this basisAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10354216742704289162noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6065491601593693979.post-35788835695185312882011-07-06T07:04:00.725-04:002011-07-06T07:04:00.725-04:00Oh, and don't forget to cap your CC scores aga...Oh, and don't forget to cap your CC scores against vehicles at 15. Your T6 spam has too high of a DRPG score because of that.Nikephoroshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14484058926496438148noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6065491601593693979.post-12007268796118446912011-07-06T07:02:05.490-04:002011-07-06T07:02:05.490-04:00It's not always beneficial to take the units w...It's not always beneficial to take the units with the highest #'s. Timmah's article on points efficiency says that maybe rather than going for the highest single-unit numbers you should play a list with the most points efficient units.<br /><br />A one model unit that scores a 9 in a category for 300 points is probably worse than a 3 model unit that scores a 3 for 100 points. Barring some other special rule, ofcourse. But all things being equal, efficiency should be your measuring stick for units.Nikephoroshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14484058926496438148noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6065491601593693979.post-74541295200277598602011-07-06T05:40:54.637-04:002011-07-06T05:40:54.637-04:00OK taking this theory into account I made an attem...OK taking this theory into account I made an attempt at writing 3 lists (or adapting current accepted competitive lists) that would hopefully hit all the bases whilst still keeping some element of common sense (that's the idea anyway) I came up with the following 3 lists for Tyranids:<br /><br />Tervigon Based:<br /><br /> DMS DMCC DRPG DLRPG<br />Prime, Dual Bonesword, Scything Talons 90 0.00 2.07 0.00 0.00<br />Prime, Dual Bonesword, Scything Talons 90 0.00 2.07 0.00 0.00<br /> <br />Hive Guard x 2 100 0.74 0.83 6.67 0.00<br />Hive Guard x 2 100 0.74 0.83 6.67 0.00<br /> <br />Tervigon, Catalyst, Adrenals, Toxins, Cluster Spines 195 0.83 0.83 4.44 1.39<br />Tervigon, Catalyst, Adrenals, Toxins, Cluster Spines 195 0.83 0.83 4.44 1.39<br />Termagants x 10 50 0.83 2.50 0.00 0.00<br />Termagants x 10 50 0.83 2.50 0.00 0.00<br /> <br /> <br />Tyrannofex, Rupture Cannon, Dessicator, Cluster Spines 265 2.22 0.83 4.17 3.06<br />Tyrannofex, Rupture Cannon, Dessicator, Cluster Spines 265 2.22 0.83 4.17 3.06<br /> <br />Average Spawn x45 3.75 11.25 0.00 0.00<br /> <br /> 1400 13.01 25.40 30.56 8.89<br /><br />T6 Spam:<br /><br /> DMS DMCC DRPG DLRPG<br />Prime, Dual Bonesword, Scything Talons 90 0.00 2.07 0.00 0.00<br /> <br />Hive Guard x 2 100 0.74 0.83 6.67 0.00<br />Hive Guard x 2 100 0.74 0.83 6.67 0.00<br />Hive Guard x 2 100 0.74 0.83 6.67 0.00<br /> <br />Tervigon, Catalyst, Adrenals, Toxins, Cluster Spines 195 0.83 0.83 4.44 1.39<br />Tervigon, Catalyst, Adrenals, Toxins, Cluster Spines 195 0.83 0.83 4.44 1.39<br />Termagaunts x 10 50 0.83 2.50 0.00 0.00<br />Termagaunts x 10 50 0.83 2.50 0.00 0.00<br /> <br />Trygon 200 0.83 5.83 20.00 6.25<br />Trygon 200 0.83 5.83 20.00 6.25<br />Trygon 200 0.83 5.83 20.00 6.25<br /> <br />Average Spawn x45 3.75 11.25 0.00 0.00<br /> <br /> 1480 8.06 28.73 88.89 21.53<br /><br />“The Numbers Game”:<br /><br /> DMS DMCC DRPG DLRPG<br />Tervigon, Catalyst, Cluster Spines 175 0.83 0.83 4.44 1.39<br />Tervigon, Catalyst, Cluster Spines 175 0.83 0.83 4.44 1.39<br /> <br />Hive Guard x 3 150 1.11 1.25 10.00 0.00<br />Hive Guard x 3 150 1.11 1.25 10.00 0.00<br />Zoanthrope x 2 - Mycetic Spore 160 2.75 0.50 4.07 4.07<br /> <br />Genestealers x 13, Toxins 221 0.00 10.83 0.00 0.00<br />Genestealers x 12, Toxins 204 0.00 10.00 0.00 0.00<br /> <br />Tyrannofex, Rupture Cannon, Dessicator, Cluster Spines 265 2.22 0.83 4.17 3.06<br /> <br />Average Spawn x45 3.75 5.00 0.00 0.00<br /> <br /> 1500 12.61 31.33 37.13 9.91<br /><br />Overview:<br /> DMS DMCC DRPG DLRPG<br />Tervigon 13.01 25.40 30.56 8.89<br />T6 Spam 8.06 28.73 88.89 21.53<br />Numbers 12.61 31.33 37.13 9.91<br /><br /><br />Any comments on the viability of the above lists and reflection on the numbers would be much appreciated. It’s possible I’m taking it too far but without pushing the boundaries and trying these things out we won’t learn.<br /><br />Thanks for reading,<br /><br />NidnubAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10354216742704289162noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6065491601593693979.post-537325101340485032011-07-06T03:13:31.925-04:002011-07-06T03:13:31.925-04:00"Do you think it's possible to build a li..."Do you think it's possible to build a list by taking the highest scoring units in each bracket and aiming for ideal ratio's of shooty/cc/mech/raider killing?"<br /><br />Possible certainly but more than likely not the 'best' list. Remember there are a lot of factors these Metrics don't take into account which you need to put together yourself and that's what will make a good list.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07693773850422698445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6065491601593693979.post-62367028241667305592011-07-06T03:10:04.706-04:002011-07-06T03:10:04.706-04:00I've been reading your articles with great ent...I've been reading your articles with great enthusiasm for the past couple of weeks and been using this to benchmark all my own lists (Tyranid Player).<br /><br />Do you think it's possible to build a list by taking the highest scoring units in each bracket and aiming for ideal ratio's of shooty/cc/mech/raider killing?<br /><br />Have been working on this but keep coming back to a very similar list to Jay's nids. I play at 1500 however so I'm working on a per 1k points system and setting minimums for mech and raider killing, whilst still keeping the maximum CC power a nid list can bring. Will post results later if anyone is interested.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10354216742704289162noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6065491601593693979.post-12667409488604046062011-07-06T02:17:46.092-04:002011-07-06T02:17:46.092-04:00And a MotF so you can buy Rifles + Sterns.And a MotF so you can buy Rifles + Sterns.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07693773850422698445noreply@blogger.com